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Me encanta este tema!! si hay algo que me llena de orgullo, no se porque, tal vez por las condiciones, sometimientos y propaganda anti-comunista que tienen es ver a un estadounidense revolucionario.
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buen grupo.
saludos.
saludos.
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Felipe Coronel, el mc de Immortal Technique creo que es Peruano
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Refloto este tema para que más camaradas puedan escuchar a este interesante rapero Peruano, que da clases de historia por el mundo incluso en EEUU, gozando de una popularidad que ya se la quisieran otros raperos hispanos. Nació en Lima en 1978 y a los dos años emigró a Harlem. Segun wikipedia es afín al marxismo , utiliza el materialismo historico a la hora de narrar y es pro revolucion cubana.
les dejo una cancion muy buena
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y la letra :
Most of my Latino and black people who are struggling to get food, clothes and shelter in the hood are so concerned with that, that philosophising about freedom and socialist democracy is usually unfortunately beyond their rationale. They don't realize that America can't exist without separating them from their identity, because if we had some sense of who we really are, there's no way in hell we'd allow this country to push it's genocidal consensus on our homelands. This ignorance exists, but it can be destroyed.
Niggas talk about change and working within the system to achieve that. The problem with always being a conformist is that when you try to change the system from within, it's not you who changes the system; it's the system that will eventually change you. There is usually nothing wrong with compromise in a situation, but compromising yourself in a situation is another story completely, and I have seen this happen long enough in the few years that I've been alive to know that it's a serious problem. Latino America is a huge colony of countries whose presidents are cowards in the face of economic imperialism. You see, third world countries are rich places, abundant in resources, and many of these countries have the capacity to feed their starving people and the children we always see digging for food in trash on commercials. But plutocracies, in other words a government run by the rich such as this one and traditionally oppressive European states, force the third world into buying overpriced, unnecessary goods while exporting huge portions of their natural resources.
I'm quite sure that people will look upon my attitude and sentiments and look for hypocrisy and hatred in my words. My revolution is born out of love for my people, not hatred for others.
You see, most of Latinos are here because of the great inflation that was caused by American companies in Latin America. Aside from that, many are seeking a life away from the puppet democracies that were funded by the United States; places like El Salvador, Guatemala, Peru, Colombia, Nicaragua, Ecuador and Republica Dominicana, and not just Spanish-speaking countries either, but Haiti and Jamaica as well.
As different as we have been taught to look at each other by colonial society, we are in the same struggle and until we realize that, we'll be fighting for scraps from the table of a system that has kept us subservient instead of being self-determined. And that's why we have no control over when the embargo will stop in Cuba, or when the bombs will stop dropping in Vieques.
But you see, here in America the attitude that is fed to us is that outside of America there live lesser people. "Fuck them, let them fend for themselves." No, Fuck you, they are you. No matter how much you want to dye your hair blonde and put fake eyes in, or follow an anorexic standard of beauty, or no matter how many diamonds you buy from people who exploit your own brutally to get them, no matter what kind of car you drive or what kind of fancy clothes you put on, you will never be them. They're always gonna look at you as nothing but a little monkey. I'd rather be proud of what I am, rather than desperately trying to be something I'm really not, just to fit in. And whether we want to accept it or not, that's what this culture or lack of culture is feeding us.
I want a better life for my family and for my children, but it doesn't have to be at the expense of millions of lives in my homeland. We're given the idea that if we didn't have these people to exploit then America wouldn't be rich enough to let us have these little petty material things in our lives and basic standards of living. No, that's wrong. It's the business giants and the government officials who make all the real money. We have whatever they kick down to us. My enemy is not the average white man, it's not the kid down the block or the kids I see on the street; my enemy is the white man I don't see: the people in the white house, the corporate monopoly owners, fake liberal politicians those are my enemies. The generals of the armies that are mostly conservatives those are the real Mother-Fuckers that I need to bring it to, not the poor, broke country-ass soldier that's too stupid to know shit about the way things are set up.
In fact, I have more in common with most working and middle-class white people than I do with most rich black and Latino people. As much as racism bleeds America, we need to understand that classism is the real issue. Many of us are in the same boat and it's sinking, while these bougie Mother-Fuckers ride on a luxury liner, and as long as we keep fighting over kicking people out of the little boat we're all in, we're gonna miss an opportunity to gain a better standard of living as a whole.
In other words, I don't want to escape the plantation I want to come back, free all my people, hang the Mother-Fucker that kept me there and burn the house to the god damn ground. I want to take over the encomienda and give it back to the people who work the land.
You cannot change the past but you can make the future, and anyone who tells you different is a Fucking lethargic devil. I don't look at a few token Latinos and black people in the public eye as some type of achievement for my people as a whole. Most of those successful individuals are sell-outs and house Negros.
But, I don't consider brothers a sell-out if they move out of the ghetto. Poverty has nothing to do with our people. It's not in our culture to be poor. That's only been the last 500 years of our history; look at the last 2000 years of our existence and what we brought to the world in terms of science, mathematics, agriculture and forms of government. You know the idea of a confederation of provinces where one federal government controls the states? The Europeans who came to this country stole that idea from the Iroquois LEAGUE. The idea of impeaching a ruler comes from an Aztec tradition. That's why Montezuma was stoned to death by his own people 'cause he represented the agenda of white Spaniards once he was captured, not the Aztec people who would become Mexicans.
So in conclusion, I'm not gonna vote for anybody just 'cause they black or Latino they have to truly represent the community and represent what's good for all of us proletariat.
Porque sino entonces te mando por el carajo cabron gusano hijo de puta, seramos libre pronto, viva la revolucion, VIVA LA REVOLUCION!
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les dejo una cancion muy buena
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y la letra :
Most of my Latino and black people who are struggling to get food, clothes and shelter in the hood are so concerned with that, that philosophising about freedom and socialist democracy is usually unfortunately beyond their rationale. They don't realize that America can't exist without separating them from their identity, because if we had some sense of who we really are, there's no way in hell we'd allow this country to push it's genocidal consensus on our homelands. This ignorance exists, but it can be destroyed.
Niggas talk about change and working within the system to achieve that. The problem with always being a conformist is that when you try to change the system from within, it's not you who changes the system; it's the system that will eventually change you. There is usually nothing wrong with compromise in a situation, but compromising yourself in a situation is another story completely, and I have seen this happen long enough in the few years that I've been alive to know that it's a serious problem. Latino America is a huge colony of countries whose presidents are cowards in the face of economic imperialism. You see, third world countries are rich places, abundant in resources, and many of these countries have the capacity to feed their starving people and the children we always see digging for food in trash on commercials. But plutocracies, in other words a government run by the rich such as this one and traditionally oppressive European states, force the third world into buying overpriced, unnecessary goods while exporting huge portions of their natural resources.
I'm quite sure that people will look upon my attitude and sentiments and look for hypocrisy and hatred in my words. My revolution is born out of love for my people, not hatred for others.
You see, most of Latinos are here because of the great inflation that was caused by American companies in Latin America. Aside from that, many are seeking a life away from the puppet democracies that were funded by the United States; places like El Salvador, Guatemala, Peru, Colombia, Nicaragua, Ecuador and Republica Dominicana, and not just Spanish-speaking countries either, but Haiti and Jamaica as well.
As different as we have been taught to look at each other by colonial society, we are in the same struggle and until we realize that, we'll be fighting for scraps from the table of a system that has kept us subservient instead of being self-determined. And that's why we have no control over when the embargo will stop in Cuba, or when the bombs will stop dropping in Vieques.
But you see, here in America the attitude that is fed to us is that outside of America there live lesser people. "Fuck them, let them fend for themselves." No, Fuck you, they are you. No matter how much you want to dye your hair blonde and put fake eyes in, or follow an anorexic standard of beauty, or no matter how many diamonds you buy from people who exploit your own brutally to get them, no matter what kind of car you drive or what kind of fancy clothes you put on, you will never be them. They're always gonna look at you as nothing but a little monkey. I'd rather be proud of what I am, rather than desperately trying to be something I'm really not, just to fit in. And whether we want to accept it or not, that's what this culture or lack of culture is feeding us.
I want a better life for my family and for my children, but it doesn't have to be at the expense of millions of lives in my homeland. We're given the idea that if we didn't have these people to exploit then America wouldn't be rich enough to let us have these little petty material things in our lives and basic standards of living. No, that's wrong. It's the business giants and the government officials who make all the real money. We have whatever they kick down to us. My enemy is not the average white man, it's not the kid down the block or the kids I see on the street; my enemy is the white man I don't see: the people in the white house, the corporate monopoly owners, fake liberal politicians those are my enemies. The generals of the armies that are mostly conservatives those are the real Mother-Fuckers that I need to bring it to, not the poor, broke country-ass soldier that's too stupid to know shit about the way things are set up.
In fact, I have more in common with most working and middle-class white people than I do with most rich black and Latino people. As much as racism bleeds America, we need to understand that classism is the real issue. Many of us are in the same boat and it's sinking, while these bougie Mother-Fuckers ride on a luxury liner, and as long as we keep fighting over kicking people out of the little boat we're all in, we're gonna miss an opportunity to gain a better standard of living as a whole.
In other words, I don't want to escape the plantation I want to come back, free all my people, hang the Mother-Fucker that kept me there and burn the house to the god damn ground. I want to take over the encomienda and give it back to the people who work the land.
You cannot change the past but you can make the future, and anyone who tells you different is a Fucking lethargic devil. I don't look at a few token Latinos and black people in the public eye as some type of achievement for my people as a whole. Most of those successful individuals are sell-outs and house Negros.
But, I don't consider brothers a sell-out if they move out of the ghetto. Poverty has nothing to do with our people. It's not in our culture to be poor. That's only been the last 500 years of our history; look at the last 2000 years of our existence and what we brought to the world in terms of science, mathematics, agriculture and forms of government. You know the idea of a confederation of provinces where one federal government controls the states? The Europeans who came to this country stole that idea from the Iroquois LEAGUE. The idea of impeaching a ruler comes from an Aztec tradition. That's why Montezuma was stoned to death by his own people 'cause he represented the agenda of white Spaniards once he was captured, not the Aztec people who would become Mexicans.
So in conclusion, I'm not gonna vote for anybody just 'cause they black or Latino they have to truly represent the community and represent what's good for all of us proletariat.
Porque sino entonces te mando por el carajo cabron gusano hijo de puta, seramos libre pronto, viva la revolucion, VIVA LA REVOLUCION!
Hay un comentario en el video que dice algo bien interesante...
Socialism can work.
It worked for my country Yugoslavia. The corruption was affecting the economy but the income was bigger. After all, sometimes when it wasn't strong enough, our government just stripped and killed those who gotten rich.
Life was good.. until Americans brought democracy to us. Watch documentary "weight of chains" it's very good.
Socialism is a system that needs to be constantly maintained.
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Una lista de reproducción de YouTube con más de 80 canciones:
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Buenas tardes compañeros y compañeras. La auténtica música antisistema es el rock estatal, que rompió moldes trás la muerte de "Paco", no puedo entender como algunos de ustedes escuchan rap cuando super estrellas como Kanye West fomenta la explotación de diamantes en África para lucir una especie de collar con la silueta de esta misma. Pero bueno, paradojas de la vida.
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Eres lo peor de este foro, deja de decir gilipolleces.AlbaniaSocialista escribió:Buenas tardes compañeros y compañeras. La auténtica música antisistema es el rock estatal, que rompió moldes trás la muerte de "Paco", no puedo entender como algunos de ustedes escuchan rap cuando super estrellas como Kanye West fomenta la explotación de diamantes en África para lucir una especie de collar con la silueta de esta misma. Pero bueno, paradojas de la vida.
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AlbaniaSocialista escribió:Buenas tardes compañeros y compañeras. La auténtica música antisistema es el rock estatal, que rompió moldes trás la muerte de "Paco", no puedo entender como algunos de ustedes escuchan rap cuando super estrellas como Kanye West fomenta la explotación de diamantes en África para lucir una especie de collar con la silueta de esta misma. Pero bueno, paradojas de la vida.
¿Y tu que te crees? ¿¿Que el rap empieza y termina por Kanye West o que??
Antes de decir gilipolleces informate más, enserio.
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50 cent, kanye west, snoop dogg, el difunto Shakur, todos lucían oro y diamantes. Eso es ser consecuentes con los ideales revolucionarios ¿? Creo que no.
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AlbaniaSocialista escribió:50 cent, kanye west, snoop dogg, el difunto Shakur, todos lucían oro y diamantes. Eso es ser consecuentes con los ideales revolucionarios ¿? Creo que no.
Yo no entiendo como puedes escuchar rock/metal si la mayoría de grupos punk y Oi! son antiimperialistas pero usan equipos de amplificación e instrumentos de multinacionales estadounidenses (Mesa/Boogie, Marshall, Gibson, Jackson,etc) o como puedes escuchar rock en general si Dave Mustaine es un republicano, o Bruce Dickinson pertenece al Partido Conservador de Inglaterra, o Slayer canta sobre Mengele.
El anterior párrafo es evidentemente, una ironía y una burla a tu comentario. Nosotros escuchamos Los Chikos del Maiz, Pablo Hasel, Keny Arkana, Immortal Techinque POR su letra y su significado, por ser música que es de protesta y agrega en su parte melódica y rítmica, pero NO porque alguien que pertenece a un estilo de rap completamente diferente sea un promotor de una música de mensaje alienante que vuelve al hombre un "hombre unidimensional" consumidor y víctima de la publicidad y los cánones sociales de los medios de comunicación. Yo aprecio al músico por su calidad en su campo (El vocalista por su voz y la letra que canta, al guitarrista de rock por su agresividad, al shredder por su técnica y al bluesero por su feeling al improvisar en escalas de blues o en pentatónicas), pero evidentemente no voy a escuchar una banda alienante. Tu post fue una tonteria y deberías por respeto a la música retractarte.
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Al último, gracias por aclararme la diferencia.
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AlbaniaSocialista escribió:50 cent, kanye west, snoop dogg, el difunto Shakur, todos lucían oro y diamantes. Eso es ser consecuentes con los ideales revolucionarios ¿? Creo que no.
El difunto Shakur tiene muchísimas letras de contenido social y reivindicativo, pero hay que entender la vida de las personas. Pac vivía en un guetto negro hasta que su carrera le llevó a "lo alto." Un joven rapero negro y pobre, que del suburbio sube, influenciado por todo un movimiento corrupto por las drogas y el dinero sucio, bastante bien parado salió gracias a la influencia de su madre, que era pantera negra. Y en sus primeros trabajos se puede ver el contenido social.
No es "consecuente con los principios revolucionarios" porque no era revolucionario. Que triste tiene que ser tu repertorio de música si solo escuchas a las 4 personas que según tu criterio sean "revolucionarios consecuentes".
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Immortal es el amo xD
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2Pac ha ayudado mucho más al movimiento comunista consiguiendo cierta paz entre los Bloods y los Crips que cualquier rockero de los que tanto te gustan AlbaniaSocialista. Por supuesto que no era marxista-leninista, pero se consideraba comunista a pesar de no ser tan puro como tú. Influencias de su madre.
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Kiibakun escribió:2Pac ha ayudado mucho más al movimiento comunista consiguiendo cierta paz entre los Bloods y los Crips que cualquier rockero de los que tanto te gustan AlbaniaSocialista. Por supuesto que no era marxista-leninista, pero se consideraba comunista a pesar de no ser tan puro como tú. Influencias de su madre.
Creo que no tiene que ver nada el género musical hablando (y al menos yo lo leo entre lineas) que 2Pac fue mas activo que los rockeros. Yo llevo 4 años siendo guitarrista de Metal y no tiene nada que ver la música con lo otro. Es como si me pusiese a burlarme de 2Pac comparandolo con el activismo social de Rubén Blades inferiorizando a 2Pac, no tiene sentido. Creo que todo esto sigue siendo (y corrígeme si me equivoco) en comparar generos en cosas que no tienen nada que ver con la música sino con lo social.
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Buen grupoo..
Un saludo.
Un saludo.